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will
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Posted: 02 Apr 2007
Had my best grass snake day for many years - gave up counting when I got to 30 animals at my local site, but I noticed that 3 of them (all males) had clearly been feeding on the local frogs / toads - very big bulges in central part of body, complete with protruding elbow / knee joints.   I had assumed that grass snakes would be like adders, ie strictly no feeding til after breeding, but these males were clearly intent on the former or both activities.   Is this the norm in your experience for grass snakes ? If so, do males and females feed before / during breeding or just males - and if the latter, are these males foresaking breeding for the sake of having a meal instead ?

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Will

armata
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Posted: 02 Apr 2007
Males and females will feed before, and during breeding virtually as soon as they emerge. I have actually seen a female copulating and with a toad half down her throat; this was at Norden 1999.
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herpetologic2
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Posted: 03 Apr 2007

I would get that site reported Will as it sounds like an candidate for a Local Wildlife Site on grass snakes alone!

Was that in Herts or Essex?

 

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will
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Posted: 03 Apr 2007
Hi Jon

Greater London - well known site - and fully protected for once !

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Will

herpetologic2
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Posted: 03 Apr 2007

Great

 

 

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Robert V
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Posted: 04 Apr 2007

 

Will,

Any greater london site producing 30 Nn individuals in a day is exceptional. Like Jon said, it needs reporting to the local records herp group.

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R


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Posted: 06 Apr 2007

 

Hi Tony,

"Males and females will feed before, and during breeding virtually as soon as they emerge. I have actually seen a female copulating and with a toad half down her throat; this was at Norden 1999."

hey tone, I bet you've seen some things eh? Well, we all know that Grass Snakes like to climb trees, how about, like to mate in them as well! have you ever seen that before?

R

 


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armata
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Posted: 06 Apr 2007
Very nice - one way of getting away fro other harassing males!

have seen them mating in a gorse bush but never up a willow like that - nice observation and capture.
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Robert V
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Posted: 06 Apr 2007

 

haha, well sussed out Tone! there we were just admiring one another, when all these bl**dy males come up and ruin the moment! LOl


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Posted: 06 Apr 2007

 

Chased her all over the place, thought they were squirrels, not Grass snakes!

R


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