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Mick
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Posted: 25 Aug 2005
Guys'n'gals, i'd love to hear of any of your experiences of herptile habitats & their colonies to be found alongside our railways, both used lines & un-used, even old pulled up track beds. I've very often found railways to be especially good for reptiles, almost as saviour-like havens sometimes, akin to garden ponds for amphibians. Railways are like perfect reptile distribution motorways & when you look at the aspects & structure of many of our countryside lines it's easy to see why. As a bit of an ol' train buff as well (alright then train spotter!..... shut iiiit!) i'm kind of in my element whenever mixing reptiles'n'railways. Reptiles aren't always immediately just beside the railwaylines, as many will have also veered off a bit & set up colonies close-by, such as at around an old disused barn near where i live, where there's Viviparous lizards, Slow-worms, Grass snakes & Common toads.   
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Posted: 26 Aug 2005
Ello Mick,
Trainspotter ? Just kidding
I've not done much railway herping but, I can tell you i used to walk along the banks of the motorway in Shepperton and find grassys galore

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Posted: 26 Aug 2005

 

Well Mick

its jon (herpetologic2) again - I have found the railways to be prime reptile habitat - all four species were found in Hockley (Essex) around the station, adders were found at Rayleigh Station (Essex). Railway sleepers when they are piled up alongside the railway lines provide good basking areas and shelter. I once found two colonies of lizards alongside a railway within the actual sleepers where they had rotten holes - and several grass snakes in a short visit to an active line

The linear features such as road verges, seawalls and railway lines are all important in reptile conservation.

Jon

 


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Mick
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Posted: 26 Aug 2005

Yeh, Alan, some road banks & verges - especially in southern england & south wales - can be pretty good reptile habitat as well, & very often good also for orthoptera, my other main wildlife interest. Much prefer being able to maybe see some choo-choo's as well though, plus i like knowing that reptiles rarely ever run a risk of getting flattened by trains. They're rarely even bothered when trains whizz past them!

And yes, exactly Jon, prime reptile habitat. Some Slow-worms are thought to have penetrated back deep into central London by simply using the railways into the capital. I wouldn't fancy runnin' the gauntlet of all them rats though! On what you said about lineside disused wooden sleepers, just a few months back i saw an adult Vivip' with just its head sticking out of an old bolt hole of a discarded sleeper beside the mainline. The funny little chap was keepin' a firm eye on me & it would've made such a cute photo' if i'd only had a camera handy. I quickly realised he, or she wasn't alone either, there were about six others there, young & adults. I know some roadsides, & most definately coastal regions are important reptile habitats, but i'm not sure some realise just how very good railways often are as well for reptiles. A relatively modern invention which reptiles have really learnt to exploit the full potential of,...a positive from us!!    


Andy_B
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Posted: 07 Jan 2006
Hey people im new 2 all this, juts signed up in fact! this topic caught my eye though, my garden backs on to a railway embankment and is home to many Slow Worms and Common Lizards. a few years back before scrub begn to colonise the banks it was mostly grassland and rich in wildlife, however all the grassland area is completey covered with dogwood, brambles an other dense vegetation. I think this may have pushed the reptiles into the garden where there are many suitable areas for both species, which breed profusely! If anybody wants any more info on my little colonies give me a shout an i'll see what i can do. many thanks.
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Posted: 30 Jan 2006
Well my father ironicly was a lot like me, and he used to look for snakes,
he used to look near the abandoned railways, he used to find Smooth
snakes and Slow worms
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ambrose
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Posted: 04 Feb 2006

does anyone know of a good place in portsmouth to find slow worms or grass snakes

 


Vicar
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Posted: 04 Feb 2006

Ambrose,

There is a forum policy not to divulge exact locations of herpetofauna, but I'd be tempted to try the Portsdown Hill area...in general.

Happy herping.


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Iowarth
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Posted: 04 Feb 2006

Hi Mick

As everyone seems to be confirming - railway tracksides do seem to be a reptile haven. Certainly my first experiences many years ago of Common lizards were on railway embankments. In recent years I found a very dense population of Common Lizards (around 450 per hectare) and Slowworms (around 150 per hectare) in an almost perfectly flat railside habitat. At least one of our motorways in the south carries a good population of both species - and some adders. And, of course, in Merseyside the railways are the main corridors between various colonies of Sand lizard. I think that these areas form naturally protected habitat with a lower proportion of un-natural predators such as cats, habitat destroyers such as people. Although the habitat can degrade there is usually so much of it that the lizards can move into good adjacent habitat - veyr much as they used to cope with the ephemeral nature of heath and dune before we destroyed most of it! 


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Mick
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Posted: 07 Feb 2006
[QUOTE=Iowarth]

And, of course, in Merseyside the railways are the main corridors between various colonies of Sand lizard. 

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Yep!, well pointed out. Found all that a detailed, great little read, Iowarth..Cheers! Certainly sounds like you're on the right tracks to me! 

Mick.


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Posted: 08 Feb 2006

Oh Mick - how could you! <groans>.

Should have mentioned railways & reptiles go well for me too - not an anorak, sorry, train spotter but I AM a railway modeller so I haveta look at the real thing!


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arvensis
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Posted: 15 Mar 2006
I work on the railway and last April I was walking up the side of the track and whilst looking at some spring fungi in the lineside hedgerow I noticed a slowworm. 

 I continued my walk and saw a tail of something disappear into the undergrowth. I carried on for another 100 yards and I counted 11 adders.   I was in the same area today and whilst not seeing any adders I did see a solitary lizard.    This lizard did what has been mentioned previously and disappeared in to a rotting sleeper.

Heres one of my piccies from last April..



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Mick
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Posted: 16 Mar 2006
arvensis.  My father works p.w. on the railway (close to retiring) but he doesn't have the least interest in any lineside wildlife. Railways (especially loco's) also happen to be another interest of mine & so whenever i go out herping near railways i'm kind of having the best of both worlds, which is cool! Anyway, glad to see you keep a keen eye out for lineside herp's. So, arvensis, whereabouts in the country do you have all this luck spotting reptiles then? Sounds great, wherever it is! I reckon lineside herp's are well under recorded but it's an almost ideal reptile habitat that i love exploring. When you're at work it'd be handy to always have a basic little pocket size camera at the ready. Nice lineside habitat & Adder pic'. 
arvensis
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Posted: 16 Mar 2006
That pic was taken in Dorset and I'd agree that Lineside herps are probably well under-recorded.    As for the compact camera idea, I do have a Digital SLR so once I've bought what I need for that then a compact maybe a possibility.   It seems that herps  like the lineside cable troughing- especially if it has a crack/hole big enough to squeeze in to. Cheers for the comments.

Mark

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Mick
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Posted: 16 Mar 2006
Ahhh right...Saw in another thread you're in Eastleigh..Been there a few times! Anyway, the pic' was Dorset? What great herping country that is, certainly my favourite reptile county! Cheers, arvensis, & keep that snapper handy!
arvensis
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Posted: 22 May 2006
What I'd be intrigued to know if there are any smoothie/sand lizard sites that border the railway(disused or otherwise).  I could think of 1 or 2 possibilities off the top off my head.

Mark

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Posted: 23 May 2006
Mark,

I think its almost certain that there are. I can think of one site in Surrey that I'd love to look at. Trouble is, getting survey permissions for lineside survey (especially refugia) can be very difficult to sort.

If you know how to get authority I would be interested !

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Posted: 23 May 2006
I seem to remember reading recently that at least part of the previously disused Wareham-Corfe Castle-Swanage railway is being used again. Does anyone know if this is true, and how this has affected the reptiles there?

All six species certainly occured within a stones-throw of this line when I visited the area in the late 80s/early 90s.
armata
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Posted: 23 May 2006
That section of line (Furzebrook) is one of my study sites, wherin 40+ smooth snakes exist on the line and on the adjacent heath. Have been monitoring site since 1972 when line closed. When I left UK the line was open as far as Norden; although they have run 'specials' right through. Over the years the Swanage railway have trashed a lot of reptiles; particularly sand lizards which were numerous next to the HCT reserve. Also, large communal grass snake egg-laying site at Corfe,(up tp 100 snakes) and lots of adders killed.
They try and do better nowadays - but they do need to liase with a herp person - so can no longer be me - any volunteers? The management is always changing so you would have to do some detective work, and let the local EN at Slepe know what you are doing, so they can file it and forget about it

Another good railway place is Wareham Station, the track for a mile toward Weymouth where it meets the old Swanage line (one of Keith Corbett's great moans, that they are severely threatened, by burning.

A few years ago I was also fortunate enough to get the OK to surevy the line from Holton Heath to Wareham; part runs adjacent to EN Reserve, and lots of smooth snakes, adders, and sand lizards.

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arvensis
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Posted: 23 May 2006
Believe it or not, the section from the junction with the main line to Furzebrook was in daily use (Monday to Friday).  Well that was until 8-9 months ago when the LPG rail sidings at Furzebrook closed. 

 The plan was when this finished, Swanage Railway were to take over the whole branch and run trains from Swanage to Wareham.    This hasn't happpened yet.

Steve, I think I may know the location you are talking about.  I do think that it would be very difficult to obtain permission to go lineside and do herp recording. I notice Tony did manage to get permission so there's no need to give up all hope.

 Looking on the Network Rail I found this: http://www.networkrail.co.uk/aspx/1055.aspx

On the right hand side it mentions about GCN's and Adders.

I am going to get in touch with Network Rail to see what possibility there is of doing anything.

On another note, there is some railway property which is away from the main line where I saw the tail-end of what I think was an Adder disappearing in to the undergrowth.    I know the manager at this location and I'm going to seek permission to lay some refugia down.

Mark
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